It has kept its traditional orange bullet throughout. To do this, it used the 60th Street tunnel connection in Hunters Point, which today routes the R train onto Queens Boulevard from Broadway.
As a kid, it was weird for me to see the letter E on Broadway, even if it was doubled. The F is unchanged from to today, route wise, stopping locally in Manhattan and Brooklyn, then express in Queens. However, it now has the orange bullet emblem of 6th Avenue Liner trains. However, the MTA also vouchsafed a southern extension to Church avenue; it had been cut back to a Smith-9th Street terminal for several decades. However, it remains the shortest train in the system, with just 4 cars.
The 7 train is the longest, with 11 cars. Rush hours only. The KK local was a hybrid route that today is matched by the numerous 6th Avenue routes in Manhattan and by the J in Brooklyn. It employs a tunnel built in under Chrystie Street that enables 6th Avenue trains to access the Williamsburg Bridge.
The current M route uses this connection. The LL has lost a letter, but has kept its route and bullet color. Its terminal at Metropolitan Avenue has remained constant throughout, though, as well as its presence on the Myrtle Avenue El — a truncated version of the once much lengthier Myrtle el. In the bargain, its bullets changed colors from Nassau Street brown to 6th Avenue orange.
The N train has run under Broadway in Manhattan and 4th Avenue in Brooklyn for decades, and in southern Brooklyn, it replaced the Sea Beach steam railroad in It has retained its yellow bullet befitting Broadway lines. During the week, the B runs along the Brighton as an express version. The Q uses the yellow bullets of the Broadway line; but while half the Manhatran Bridge was closed to subways in the s, it ran up 6th Avenue and was orange.
It used parts of the el over Jamaica Avenue that were demolished in , and the Montague Street connection of the Broadway and Nassau Street lines is still there, but no longer on a subway route. The RR has lost a letter, but remains one of the lengthiest local subways in NYC, never surfacing above ground or going express. In , it was rerouted under Queens Boulevard to 71st Continental Avenue. After it was accessed from the 9th Avenue station after the 5th Avenue El was torn down.
It was closed in and dismantled in imagine if anyone had agitated for the old Culver to become a Brooklyn High Line back then! I wish there was still a shuttle between the Bowling Green and South Ferry stations, but all possibility ended when the curving South Ferry station was replaced by a new station, which had to be completely rebuilt after Hurricane Sandy destroyed it.
Newer cars of the time, the R, 42, 44 and 46, employed the color bullets. The Transit Authority adjudged this as perhaps too gaudy and switched to bullets.
During the financial nadir of transit funding in the s and s, subway trains were occasionally identified by handwritten signs in the front window affixed with scotch tape! In the modern day, bullets have gone out of fashion, as well.
First, R cars were rehabbed without roll signs, but electronic displays. The 1 remains consistent from , in adopting the red identification bullets of other 7th Avenue lines. In the s, the MTA experimented with skip stopping the 1, with a 9 train added to hit the missing stops, skipping the 8. More about that later. Its red ID color has been consistent since The old terminal of the 3 in at Brooklyn College has since been swapped with the 2. The 3 now wears the red of all 7th Avenue lines on maps and ID bullets.
On the IRT, the 1, 3, 6 still employ R cars that can display route bullets in front. It now features Lexington Avenue dark green. Today, the 5 has the same split personality it did in the Bronx in , going to Dyre Avenue but with some rush hour runs up White Plains Road to Wakefield. Riders can loop around the old City Hall station by remaining on the train after it reaches is Brooklyn Bridge terminal — official MTA rules are to allow it, but some stickler conductors might not.
The Flushing Line connects Times Square and Flushing as in , but in its color was changed to purple. The line now runs south to West 34th at Hudson Yards, while occasional rush hour trains terminate at Willets Point Boulevard. This sign is interesting as a white on black sticker was put on to fix the E routing, but the old E bullet is still on the sign.
Screen Shot at 7. I took this screenshot from a Youtube video, so I apologize for the low quality, but you can see that this is a mix of signs. There is the original Vignelli sign underneath. Then you have stickers pasted on it.
You can also see the bullet outline kind of bullet on the sign. Damn, these are nice finds. Regarding the Queens Blvd signs at Briarwood and Union Tpke, I'm curious why it looks like the latter originally had three services and the former four when the number of services running to those stations was inverted at the time. Van Wyck Blvd had the E and F through , which then became the R and F with the G added in as a late night service after the R was cut back to the 4th Avenue shuttle that autumn.
I guess they could've covered over one of the lines with a blank at some point and then sometime after the Hillside Ave services were consolidated to only the F in Oct.
I do wonder if the G was ever on that sign though. The sign at Kew Gardens is even stranger as there was no reason to replace the original E and F that was already there as neither line was slated to discontinue serving that station. That bullet replacement at Broadway-Lafayette looks like it was a service sticker mistakenly used for an entrance sign. Note how the inner shading is slightly brighter than the surrounding bullet.
For Hoyt-Schermerhorn, it looks like those service signs replaced ones similar to those found at Jay St in this photo. On a side-note, I wasn't aware those side platforms at Hoyt-Schermerhorn were in service at that point.
Nothing ran on the outer tracks at that time to justify opening the doors to the outer platforms. MHV I believe there's a reason why there aren't many enamel CC signs floating around or captured on video, etc. The plan to eliminate the double-lettered routes was thought of way before The first batch of signs for the 16s - 38s after the trunk color redesign came out in This is the version that had the Broadway lines with white text on the signature sunflower yellow color. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan dated back to the Diamond Jubilee map design change, but wasn't implemented then due to budget concerns at the time.
Too many trains were running with signs dating back to at least the Chrystie St connection, if not before. While the colors on some of those signs would be wrong when the trunk color design was put info effect, the route letters would still be the same if the double-lettered routes remained in operation. In regards to some of these signs' longevity, the ones at out of the way stations tend to stick around for a while.
There were a couple of old service signs on the Pelham line that lasted until the s renovations. Sometimes, they stick around well after station renos, like this one at 59 St-Columbus Circle:. Flickr: Coney Island Av. On another side-note, the reason behind some of the signs retaining their '67 colors well into the '80s was that it was close enough to the '79 design.
There were plenty of gold N's scattered around with the teal E's. And if you looked close enough, one could find slightly different shades of A's and D's, but those were less noticeable since the '67 and '79 versions were almost the same.
I think this might have to do with the fact that there was a plan to send the G and N to Jamaica Center. After that fell though, they started pasting over the signs. This was also done at the 42nd Street L. It would make sense with the text being in Standard instead of Helvetica like it was by the end of the s. Though unless the plan to send the G and N later the R to Jamaica Center fell through at the last minute, I'd imagine having erroneous station signs would be more confusing than not.
Par for the course, but still pretty weird though. Right, I forgot the racing specials stopped there. However, the JFK Express never stopped at Hoyt-Schermerhorn, so that means those signs on the outer platforms lasted at least six years following the elimination of the Aqueduct specials.
Wouldn't surprise me though as there wouldn't really be a need to waste resources removing signs that people won't access in the first place.
I love those early design this version signage since i was little. I would design my own custom digital art from the present. That's a good point. I always forget how early those signs were printed without any double letters.
As we know, even the R46s that ended up on the received only sticker signs rather than new rolls. It would make sense that they didn't too much with permanent signage during those years of flux, particularly given the fact the system was a mess anyway. I went to my list to check for dates on those rolls, and while I didn't find a date for the white N-Q-R rolls, I do know the black N-Q-R rolls are dated And there are pictures of R38s wearing new rolls as early as winter , so the white ones would probably date to or so.
And you're right, not a trace of a double-lettered route on either of those rolls — they were definitely planning ahead. I'm still mad I missed that 59th Street sign when it was briefly revealed.
For what it's worth, a ton of those style signs enamel attached to a steel mounting bar are still in place, just covered by a couple years of new signs. That style was used beginning in the s and into the s, first with the 11" bullets and later with the new-style smaller bullets. Along QBL those signs are still in place with Standard text, just covered by a few metal signs. And then there's the laters style of enamel overhead signs that you see at a lot of lines still in place for instance, 7th Ave on the or th St.
I think the kept its color until even later, actually. Who knows why or when. I have a Pic of an Old sign at Metropolitan before it was covered up when it was extended to Church ave, I took a photo of it in late This is a sign from thth, and I am trying to date the closure of the entrance. MHV Lance Do either of you know when this sign could be from? Not a clue unfortunately. It looks to be full Helvetica, but that doesn't narrow it down much I'm afraid.
Here's what we're looking at, as best I can tell. Below are original porcelain signs for the and QJ. Those have been updated with stickers to show the and. Hanging from the ceiling: s 'hybrid' Vignelli signs made of sheet metal.
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